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Written by Duane Long   
Friday, 24 July 2009 11:12
I have a problem with offensive line recruiting. I am sure that is a surprise to all of you. I scratch my head with safety recruiting sometimes. No, a lot of times, especially right now with the fascination with Hagan, a Pennsylvania kid who does not have offers from Penn State or Pitt. But overall you have to look at the talent assembled and be impressed. That the Buckeyes are dominating the Big Ten in a way that we have only seen at one other time in the last 50 years or so is more than simply the conference being down. You still have to be good enough to take advantage of it.

I was looking at the roster today. JT has always maintained that he recruits bigs, big speed, speed and quarterbacks. He has transformed this team with that so very basic formula. Linebacker is what started all this. DHOS mentioned that the nations #1 linebacker, Jeff Luc, has set up a visit for the USC game. I started looking for how you fit him in and it struck me just how loaded we are, and just how versatile we are. That is where it really comes into focus how well this staff has recruited. We have the personnel to move from the 4-3 to the 4-2-5 and even to a 3-4 and never see a dropoff in talent. Look at the weakside/Star position. We have a team that spreads it out and throws it alot in front of us. We can throw Jermale Hines in there and his backup, Tyler Moeller, would be the starter anywhere else where they use the Star/hybrid, which is just about everywhere. A team like Wisconsin comes in and wants to run the ball. No problem. Homan, Sweat, Sabino and Spitler will trot onto the field. 3rd and 5 we don't want to go with lighter guys like Hines and Moeller, especially against a team like Wisky that would run in that situation. We bring in Rolle. In the wings we have Klein, Bell and Whiting with McVey coming in next year to play the Star.

Look at the front four. That is where the versatility really comes out. We can move between 4-3, odd man front, 4-3 stack, even 3-4 and 3-3-5 with the personnel we have right now. The problem for the offense is the versatility of the players on the roster makes it possible for us to come out of the huddle on successive plays in a different front without changing personnel. Lawrence Wilson gives us a true base/strong side DE. Fellows will bring the same thing to the table. Heyward and Worthington are the keys. Both can play tackle but also end in the odd man front or in a 3-4 or 3-3-5. Nate Williams is the biggest threat to keeping Gibson from being All-Big Ten. He is strong enough at the point of attack to play as a 4-3 end but we saw his speed last year. He could line up on the edge and cause all kinds of problems. Dexter Larimore is the most versatile of the tackles. He is not ideal sized for the position but he could play the nose in either the 4-3 or the 3 man odd front. We give away nothing with as far as our scheme is concerned with the versatility of the personnel.

Think about corners. Do you really ever worry about us at corner? We go with All-World guys and off the board guys. We always seem to find NFL caliber cornerbacks.

JT came into a tough situation at running back. He fixed it immediately. Clarett made a mess off the field but what a great runner he was. Our last 2 RBs landed in the NFL with one, Chris Wells, going in the first round and several NFL people thinking he will be Rookie of the Year. Jamal Berry was a national top 5 back and it looks like Carlose Hyde was going to hit the field first. The next great one is already in the fold in Rod Smith.

The best recruiting job, by far as far as I'm concerned, is quarterback. At least we have tradition at running back. We have a state that most of the time has at least one elite back coming out of the high school ranks. Not so with quarterback. No hunting grounds to speak of here. JT got Terrelle Pryor. He left the state and got the best player, the best quarterback, in the country. He comes back this year with the 800 lb gorilla of a sophmore to be starter at quarterback and reels in the hottest commodity in the country at quarterback in Taylor Graham. We are in line to solidify a traditional weakness next year with Braxton Miller. I think you have to have the quarterback position stocked at all times. Can you remember a time when the Buckeyes had 3 players of such caliber at quarterback at the same time? I can't.

I have major problems with OL recruiting and safety recruiting is like a David Lynch movie but overall the state of the talent level of this program, the versatility of the players on the roster, is what is making this program so dominant, not the fact that Big Ten is not a very good conference right now.


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Positive
written by Mike, July 24, 2009
'oh no' - feeling I got after opening of todays blog.
Thought this guy needs to let this go. Was shocked
with upbeat and positive perspective on our roster.
Pounding J.T's staffs drum is noted. They have put
some talent in the mix.

After watching few replays of Bucks from last year -
Hines has to be on the field - he just makes plays
fast without hesitation. If that means getting him ready to play safety - let the best ones play.
Recruiting
written by dbuckeye44, July 24, 2009
I too felt an "Oh no" go through my mind when I read the first sentence of your report today. I was glad to read on and feel the love and positivity. Duane I believe you are getting ready for the season. I do however think that you can carry over your positive remarks with our efforts at Safety. We got Wood last year, the say that Johnson is turning into an excellent safety and who can argue with a 6'1", 230, 4.35 safety roaming back there in Hagan. I believe the reason he was not offered instate was due to his being injuried last year and also think there might be a concession factor involved knowing that most likely they were not going to get him. We usually make these concessions so as not to waste money and time. In regards to Luc should he decide to don the s&g we most definitely find a spot. I don't know how quickly he picks up the system but he could very well be in the two deep as a freshman.
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written by BOBBY, July 24, 2009
I don't see Luc leaving the South, but he sure would be welcomed. He will see that our facilities are second to none, and that our tradition is so rich with LB talent going Pro that he should take us more seriously. What does he intend on majoring in, does anyone know?
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written by DHOS, July 24, 2009
Luc would be excellent in the Buckeyes new 34 one gap scheme. The Middle linebackers are going to be uncovered a lot so they have to be built a little thicker than, say, James Laurinatis.

That's why I think Spitler has a huge year. He will be expected to be a B gap- B gap plugger.
re: Recruiting
written by RipsManifesto, July 24, 2009
We got Wood last year, the say that Johnson is turning into an excellent safety and who can argue with a 6'1", 230, 4.35 safety roaming back there in Hagan.


I agree with you, and I don't. Hagan's measurables are excellent, which makes it more curious for me. I'm not going to get too hung up on him not getting offered from instate. Perhaps they called to gauge his interest and he told them no thanks. Kind of like the kid from Texas. But back to measureables--just remember Jamario O'Neal. All-everthing in high school, but he just couldn't bring it together at OSU to be effective on more than special teams. We've got some excellent safety prospects coming up.

I almost wonder if our safeties have "looked" so bad because we're comparing them to our corners, which on the whole have consistently been amazing.

I do like the positive spin Duane, but I would still say that our conference dominance is both in part of our excellent recruiting and because the conference is down. Both of which are probably related, as stockpiling the best talent in the area means less terrific players for the other teams.
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written by Ron Krumm, July 24, 2009
Duane,
I can't beleave you had thenerve to say Graham is the hottest comodity at quarterback. At best, he was our third choice. Everybody wanted Montana. Half the people wanted Gardner, the other half wanted Hendrix. Only after all of the others committed someplace else did Graham get much consideration. IF we get Braxton Miller, everyone will figure he is the one that will replace Pryor. By extension, your "hot comodity" is a best a back up and thus no better than Guyton from this year. At least Guyton has the mobilty like Pryor does.
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written by Duane Long, July 24, 2009
Duane,
I can't beleave you had thenerve to say Graham is the hottest comodity at quarterback. At best, he was our third choice. Everybody wanted Montana. Half the people wanted Gardner, the other half wanted Hendrix. Only after all of the others committed someplace else did Graham get much consideration. IF we get Braxton Miller, everyone will figure he is the one that will replace Pryor. By extension, your "hot comodity" is a best a back up and thus no better than Guyton from this year. At least Guyton has the mobilty like Pryor does.



Absolutely he was. After he started getting out to the camps and combines. No question he was a kid that was flying up everyones want list. He was hurt last year a good bit.
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written by Duane Long, July 24, 2009
I am not negative. I reject that utterly. Pointing out the negatives and being negative is two different things. Vince Lombardi said, "Perfection is not attainable, but if we chase perfection we can catch excellence." That I point out where we are lacking is not negative. It is reality. Some fans want Buckeyes sites to be cheerleader sites. This one will never be that.
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written by deflection, July 24, 2009
It seems there has been transition at the safety position at OSU under Tressel. Now we have to cover guys with minimal run responsibility. So you think this has more to do with trouble recruiting getting a guy that can do both or is it really just a shift in strategy with all of the spread passing attacks we see?
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written by O-State, July 24, 2009
Duane,
I can't beleave you had thenerve to say Graham is the hottest comodity at quarterback. At best, he was our third choice. Everybody wanted Montana. Half the people wanted Gardner, the other half wanted Hendrix. Only after all of the others committed someplace else did Graham get much consideration. IF we get Braxton Miller, everyone will figure he is the one that will replace Pryor. By extension, your "hot comodity" is a best a back up and thus no better than Guyton from this year. At least Guyton has the mobilty like Pryor does.


Um, Duane is right on this. Taylor blew the coaches away at UCLA and tOSU. He went from unranked on rivals to a top 250 player. An injury is what prevented him from being a bigger name.

I said before he even committed I wanted him more than Hendrix. Graham is a smart and very accurate QB. I love his quick over the top release. Makes up for his relative lack of mobility. Even though you don't see it in his highlights, he supposedly has a big time arm too. And you gotta' love him being the son of a former tOSU and NFL QB. We really did get a good one. Can't wait to see what he does when he's healthy.
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written by RipsManifesto, July 24, 2009
Um, Duane is right on this. Taylor blew the coaches away at UCLA and tOSU. He went from unranked on rivals to a top 250 player. An injury is what prevented him from being a bigger name.


Well, Krumm's not exactly wrong that Graham was apparently the third option here. However, I think the staff should still be commended here for losing out on two prospects and still closing with a third that seems to be as up-and-coming as Graham.

As for Graham never being more than a backup to Pryor then Miller, you never can tell. Everyone is in love with Miller, and that's great, but I remember everyone being in love with Zwick in high school as well and wondering when we were going to move Troy Smith over to receiver. Graham could surprise some people, you never can tell this early how things will shake out in the end.
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written by Duane Long, July 24, 2009
Um, Duane is right on this. Taylor blew the coaches away at UCLA and tOSU. He went from unranked on rivals to a top 250 player. An injury is what prevented him from being a bigger name.


Well, Krumm's not exactly wrong that Graham was apparently the third option here. However, I think the staff should still be commended here for losing out on two prospects and still closing with a third that seems to be as up-and-coming as Graham.

As for Graham never being more than a backup to Pryor then Miller, you never can tell. Everyone is in love with Miller, and that's great, but I remember everyone being in love with Zwick in high school as well and wondering when we were going to move Troy Smith over to receiver. Graham could surprise some people, you never can tell this early how things will shake out in the end.



He had not been on the radar at the time coming off the injury. Graham would have been no less than #2 on the board if they were making it up now. He would have been preferred over Hendrix after they saw him at camp. That impressive, he was.
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written by a guest, July 25, 2009
I think Krum was thinking Buckeye fans on Buckeye websites when he read "hottest commodity."

I agree he was hotter than hot and you can't rule him out as a starter.

* shows up at UCLA and 2 QB coaches, Chow and Neuheisel offer him
* shows up at Duke and Peyton Manning's mentor, David Cutcliff offers him on the the spot
* shows up at OSU who have actively and with lots of noise pursued 2 high end QBs and he gets an offer within days
* Gets offered by Petrino at Arkansas - not a bad college QB coach

That's hot!
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written by buckrtee, July 25, 2009
Duane what is the 2011 running back class looking like other then Rod JT it looks like JTs recruiting backs under six feet. Barry, Hall, and even Boom are all short backs that have added bulk. Is it possible that JT wants to recruit more speed backs to be used in open space and use a big back to pound inside.
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written by Duane Long, July 25, 2009
Duane what is the 2011 running back class looking like other then Rod JT it looks like JTs recruiting backs under six feet. Barry, Hall, and even Boom are all short backs that have added bulk. Is it possible that JT wants to recruit more speed backs to be used in open space and use a big back to pound inside.


There is no kid in the class instate who has emerged. Robert Walton at Glenville is the one kid who stands out as the best in the class but I don't see an early offer talent. He could
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written by Duane Long, July 25, 2009
I forgot about Matt Cyrus from Hilliard. He is a big back with some tools I like. He is a player I will be watching.
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written by Buckrtee, July 25, 2009
It appears you like size over the combination of size and speed together in the spread? I think JT is leaning more towards the combination of both looking at his recruiting over the past two years. Are you hoping Rod is the next Beanie or Eddie?

I think he will be special as you indicated earlier but what about Berry and Jordan Hall? Berry is an elusive back with 4.3 speed and Hall is good out of the backfield both seem to be promising as well.
Thoughts on 2010
written by BuckNasty, July 25, 2009
DL:
Interesting post. I think in the cases of Hagan/ Graham/ and likely Williams, injuries have given the bucks some cover. We could add to the haul as many OS teams have appeared to overlook these guys.
2nd Point
written by BuckNasty, July 25, 2009
Hopefully the on the field use of these talents translates in equal fashion. tOSU needs a few big wins to correct recent errors. Recruiting is fine, but it's the on the field usage of players that needs scrutiny.
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written by Duane Long, July 25, 2009
It appears you like size over the combination of size and speed together in the spread? I think JT is leaning more towards the combination of both looking at his recruiting over the past two years. Are you hoping Rod is the next Beanie or Eddie?

I think he will be special as you indicated earlier but what about Berry and Jordan Hall? Berry is an elusive back with 4.3 speed and Hall is good out of the backfield both seem to be promising as well.



I think Berry is going to go the same route as Pittman. He is not going to be a big guy but he will be big enough. Hall is going to tell alot about where the offense is going. If he is a back then I think we see a different offense. Keep in mind that he caught passes for as much yardage as he ran for. I think he could be a slot back. JT has never recruited a scat back. Mo Wells was offered by Bill Conley. If Hall is an RB here it signifies a real change.
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written by Buckrtee, July 25, 2009
Mo wells was close to the same size as Herron 5-9.5 190 coming out of HS he just didn't play big inside the tackles. Toussaint is 5'10 185 right now would you consider him a scat back?
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written by Duane Long, July 26, 2009
Mo wells was close to the same size as Herron 5-9.5 190 coming out of HS he just didn't play big inside the tackles. Toussaint is 5'10 185 right now would you consider him a scat back?



Numbers are something we can grasp. Very tangible so we hang onto them. Herron is a bigger kid. Bigger framed. He was going to get even bigger. Wells was always limited in where his body was going to go.

Definitely see Toussaint as a scat back. He made a great choice in Michigan. He will not be asked to run between the tackles alot in that offense. Andre Givens is that kind of back this year.

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